Hi, do you think lemmy would be as popular as Reddit ? I mean, many subreddits have much more posts compared to communities on lemmy… sometimes I scroll through Reddit sub top of month and see no end. At lemmy mostly I see 10 posts monthly… I do like concept of moving to lemmy, but it might make no sense if people’s are no active here and tbh I see the trend of disappearing activity
If you see 10 posts monthly, you’re probably just subscribed to very inactive communities. Personally I don’t really see the need for Lemmy to become as big as reddit though. When you get hundreds of posts a minute, individual voices get pretty much drowned out. If we can sustain a smaller, but less toxic, community than reddit, I think that’s preferrable. By which I don’t mean that there isn’t room for growth still, there definitely is, especially for some of the smaller, more specialized communities.
Honestly, I never fail to be astounded how promptly I have responses. I’d almost describe it as legendary. Very satisfied with what we’re able to accomplish with our much smaller user base
I think it’s simply because there’s less white noise trahing over everything so more proper posts are visible and as there’s less toxicity people are more confident to comment on Lemmy.
Our numbers are relatively small, but there are a disproportionate number of internet fanatics. I thought I was terminally online but I have to say I’ve been thoroughly outclassed in that department by some of my fellow Lemmings.
It’s good but it’s also something we need to keep in mind as we grow and try to recruit users that are less digitally minded.
I don’t know if I did reddit wrong all the time (I’ve been there since 2013) or what the hell, but I do want Lemmy to be a replacement of Reddit to me.
I barely ever browsed r/all, I think I have done that more times now since the APIcalypse just to check out “what reddit is, and how it is going”
Reddit was my main source of resources for several topics such as Kodi, SBCgaming, Handhelds in general, Emulation of all kinds, Shield TV/Android TV and more generally gaming and tech news (I think Lemmy does fine in those both last fields), I just placed all my smaller subreddits/topics in the multisubreddits and used my mobile app to browse them all, later I knew about the best sorting in the frontpage and that was okay too, but never stopped using multireddits, that made my navigation more similar to forums, something that I used to frequent.
Usually my main source of finding cool stuff in the wild was if some redditor shared the subreddit in a kinda related thread, and if that caught my attention.
I legit didn’t think about Reddit as a glorified Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/TikTok resource as it appears to be in r/all.
I was living in my tiny bubble I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway, one must have a requirement to achieve this is having a bigger number of active users.
I commented a lot there, and that hasn’t changed here, but definitely I’m upvoting more here than I did on reddit lol.
I assume some will say they don’t want it to. I hope it does so more people are no longer giving money to giant social media companies, or being tracked by them.
Probably not, but that’s OK. Reddit is optimizing to be popular, while Lemmy has the opportunity to optimize to be useful.
Reddit largely displaced independent web forums. It wasn’t originally designed to do that; it didn’t even have comments at first, but that’s its most useful niche. It’s not actively optimizing to be good at that though; it’s optimizing for a combination of getting more people to spend more time there and getting people to click on ads. The latter is probably best served by encouraging fast-paced low-value meme type content rather than deep discussions.
Perhaps oddly, or perhaps because my Reddit feed is more curated, I see the latter on Lemmy more than on Reddit. For those who care about Lemmy’s success, you have a role to play. Post in communities related to your interests, or start one if it doesn’t already exist.
It’s like MySpace and Facebook. The momentum can switch at any moment. Like others said, it’s better to fix some important issues before Lemmy becomes popular.
It’s very likely that Lemmy will be more popular because Lemmy is more open for innovations. This is not Linux where you have to learn something first. If the frontpage is better, people will switch. Reddit cannot rock the boat whereas on Lemmy, each instance can try a new feature and show its usefulness.
It’s not going to be as popular while it’s hard to browse and post in different communities.
If I’m browsing through the app, Voyager in my case, I can read and reply to anything that’s been federated to my instance. If I send myself a link to read later though, I might only be able to read it. Sent links open in the browser instead of the app, and that doesn’t let me comment on different instances.
On top of that, accessibility settings don’t carry over. Different instances in the browser are treated like different websites. I have trouble reading dark mode sites, so I set my home instance to light mode. Browsing to a different instance might switch it back to dark, and not let me change it without creating an account and logging in. That really puts me off wanting to stick around.
If there’s a post with information I want to save, I email it to myself, same for FOSS posts where I want to try the software on the PC.
It might just be that I get a notification while I’m on the PC and want to answer. This post is on lemmy.ml, so if I opened it on the computer while I’m logged in to dbzer0, I wouldn’t be able to type this reply.
There is also just a dbzer0 link to this post (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/5239822) that you should be able to send to yourself. I can’t imagine Voyager wouldn’t let you access that.
Sorry, yes, Voyager lets me read and reply to everything. It’s when I try to open a link on my PC that I get the problem. I opened this thread from my replies, and get the dbzer0 link that you posted rather than the original lemmy.ml link, and I can reply on the PC. I’ve got https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming open in another tab though, a link that I emailed myself to read on the PC, and it asks me to log in, even though I’m currently logged in to dbzer0.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !learn_programming@programming.dev
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !learn_programming@programming.dev
Not odd at all. You’re logged in on dbzer, you’re not on programming.dev, because they’re different servers. Your server fetches posts from other servers before you can comment on them.
Lemmy is currently suffering from the network effect.
People aren’t hanging out as much because there’s not a lot of content. Less content gets posted because there’s not a lot of people hanging out. Repeat ad infinitum.
What Lemmy needs is people that are brave enough to post in empty communities.
Also, it’s suffering from what programmers call premature optimization. Reddit has hundreds of thousands of subreddits breaking down topics into incredibly niche subtopics. It’s good, because the volume of posts is so high that talk about e.g. a particular indie game would get buried in a general videogames subreddit.
So, it seems like Lemmings want to copy that structure, and create a community for every tiny niche right away. But there aren’t enough of us. It’s like trying to start a nuclear chain reaction with your fuel all spread out. We’ll never reach critical mass that way.
Instead, we need communities for general topics, so people actual see and engage with posts. So, for example, instead of hoping that c/whatisthisthing will get going, post such questions in c/asklemmy. There’re not so many posts that it’ll bury other topics yet, but if requests to identify objects really start taking off, then branch off a new community. That’s how Usenet grew back in the day.
The core concept here is to get people talking to each other. That’s more important than rigid categorization. That comes later, at this stage it’s premature optimization.
(Also, for myself, I’d rather see Lemmy develop its own culture and communities, rather than try to be just a not-Rdddit Reddit.)
I don’t think Lemmy will reach or overtake Reddit. That’s a good thing in my opinion, because massive platforms come with massive moderation problems that aren’t so easy to tackle for decentralised networks. We’ve seen that when someone posted kiddie porn and several servers went down to scrub the filth from their systems.
If anything, Lemmy already has a pretty high amount of troll communities, thankfully mostly contained within their own servers, which enables separation through defederation (speaking of defederation, I’d love to have an option to block servers on the user level).
No, we shoudn’t. Framasoft, the french libre software NGO published an interesting article about mastodon and twitter (in french). To sum up, the article tells us we shouldn’t follow twitter footstep (it was before Elon Musk became the CEO) but embrace the fediverse.
So, imho, after reading their post, it is clear that we are just copy-pasting some proprietary software and it’s a mistake because we may integrated some problematic design that were intended for analysis and ads purpose. And those proprietary software were a golden cage.
The fediverse is not lemmy, it’s not mastodon. And the timeline is limited by its UI design to lemmyverse or mastodonverse. It shouldn’t. We should open them more while having good moderating tool.
But firstly, Lemmy should improve their moderating tool. As a moderator in jlai.lu, and because our admin explained us various issues : the current state of Lemmy is worrying.
So until those matter aren’t solved, i don’t want to see any community’s grow bigger nor openness to the fediverse because we aren’t ready and can’t protect other communities in the fediverse.
No, it likely won’t be as popular. Might be pretty quiet in general, unless (until…) Reddit shits the bed again or something else happens to boost adoption.
I think maybe the design isn’t working ideally, it’s relatively complicated stuff and “federation politics” makes it infinitely worse. I think it’s going to be a hard sell for casual users.
Of course, I don’t think the place is dying off completely any time soon, either. (And the “bunch of nerds” era which we’re at, relatively speaking, was arguably the least sucky Reddit period anyway - you can’t have Reddit’s user count without a large helping of extra toxicity coming with it)
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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If your post meets the following criteria, it’s welcome here!
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I sure hope not
Let’s hope not.
If you see 10 posts monthly, you’re probably just subscribed to very inactive communities. Personally I don’t really see the need for Lemmy to become as big as reddit though. When you get hundreds of posts a minute, individual voices get pretty much drowned out. If we can sustain a smaller, but less toxic, community than reddit, I think that’s preferrable. By which I don’t mean that there isn’t room for growth still, there definitely is, especially for some of the smaller, more specialized communities.
Honestly, I never fail to be astounded how promptly I have responses. I’d almost describe it as legendary. Very satisfied with what we’re able to accomplish with our much smaller user base
I think it’s simply because there’s less white noise trahing over everything so more proper posts are visible and as there’s less toxicity people are more confident to comment on Lemmy.
Long may it continue.
We’re always watching.
Our numbers are relatively small, but there are a disproportionate number of internet fanatics. I thought I was terminally online but I have to say I’ve been thoroughly outclassed in that department by some of my fellow Lemmings.
It’s good but it’s also something we need to keep in mind as we grow and try to recruit users that are less digitally minded.
God bless em, doe
That assumes everyone wants the fediverse to be as popular as reddit.
Personally, I don’t.
Reddit often felt like walking through waist-high shit to find the odd thread that was worth the effort.
I don’t know if I did reddit wrong all the time (I’ve been there since 2013) or what the hell, but I do want Lemmy to be a replacement of Reddit to me.
I barely ever browsed r/all, I think I have done that more times now since the APIcalypse just to check out “what reddit is, and how it is going”
Reddit was my main source of resources for several topics such as Kodi, SBCgaming, Handhelds in general, Emulation of all kinds, Shield TV/Android TV and more generally gaming and tech news (I think Lemmy does fine in those both last fields), I just placed all my smaller subreddits/topics in the multisubreddits and used my mobile app to browse them all, later I knew about the best sorting in the frontpage and that was okay too, but never stopped using multireddits, that made my navigation more similar to forums, something that I used to frequent.
Usually my main source of finding cool stuff in the wild was if some redditor shared the subreddit in a kinda related thread, and if that caught my attention.
I legit didn’t think about Reddit as a glorified Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/TikTok resource as it appears to be in r/all.
I was living in my tiny bubble I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway, one must have a requirement to achieve this is having a bigger number of active users.
I commented a lot there, and that hasn’t changed here, but definitely I’m upvoting more here than I did on reddit lol.
Reddit became terrible once it became a political tool by corporations and international organizations to brainwash the masses.
And that was complete 8 years ago in the lead up to the 2016 US election, and it was well underway before that.
Nope. It’s like Whatsapp/Telegram. If it does the same basic stuff, many people won’t switch for the sake of it.
Also, Reddit got much traction in part because there was little to none censorship at the beginning.
Most of those banned subs on Reddit would be banned here immediately too or if the hosting instance allowed them, others would defederate it.
I assume some will say they don’t want it to. I hope it does so more people are no longer giving money to giant social media companies, or being tracked by them.
Probably not, but that’s OK. Reddit is optimizing to be popular, while Lemmy has the opportunity to optimize to be useful.
Reddit largely displaced independent web forums. It wasn’t originally designed to do that; it didn’t even have comments at first, but that’s its most useful niche. It’s not actively optimizing to be good at that though; it’s optimizing for a combination of getting more people to spend more time there and getting people to click on ads. The latter is probably best served by encouraging fast-paced low-value meme type content rather than deep discussions.
Perhaps oddly, or perhaps because my Reddit feed is more curated, I see the latter on Lemmy more than on Reddit. For those who care about Lemmy’s success, you have a role to play. Post in communities related to your interests, or start one if it doesn’t already exist.
It’s like MySpace and Facebook. The momentum can switch at any moment. Like others said, it’s better to fix some important issues before Lemmy becomes popular.
It’s very likely that Lemmy will be more popular because Lemmy is more open for innovations. This is not Linux where you have to learn something first. If the frontpage is better, people will switch. Reddit cannot rock the boat whereas on Lemmy, each instance can try a new feature and show its usefulness.
It’s not going to be as popular while it’s hard to browse and post in different communities.
If I’m browsing through the app, Voyager in my case, I can read and reply to anything that’s been federated to my instance. If I send myself a link to read later though, I might only be able to read it. Sent links open in the browser instead of the app, and that doesn’t let me comment on different instances.
On top of that, accessibility settings don’t carry over. Different instances in the browser are treated like different websites. I have trouble reading dark mode sites, so I set my home instance to light mode. Browsing to a different instance might switch it back to dark, and not let me change it without creating an account and logging in. That really puts me off wanting to stick around.
Why do you browse to other instances? Apart from channels on defederated instances you can subscribe to all channels on your main instance.
Does Lemmy need artificial ‘all’ channels that include all channels of an instance? Then there would be no need to directly visit other instances.
If there’s a post with information I want to save, I email it to myself, same for FOSS posts where I want to try the software on the PC.
It might just be that I get a notification while I’m on the PC and want to answer. This post is on lemmy.ml, so if I opened it on the computer while I’m logged in to dbzer0, I wouldn’t be able to type this reply.
There is also just a dbzer0 link to this post (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/5239822) that you should be able to send to yourself. I can’t imagine Voyager wouldn’t let you access that.
Sorry, yes, Voyager lets me read and reply to everything. It’s when I try to open a link on my PC that I get the problem. I opened this thread from my replies, and get the dbzer0 link that you posted rather than the original lemmy.ml link, and I can reply on the PC. I’ve got https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming open in another tab though, a link that I emailed myself to read on the PC, and it asks me to log in, even though I’m currently logged in to dbzer0.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !learn_programming@programming.dev
As the others wrote, you should be able to reply.
Additionally, I would like to remind you of the star. You can mark posts and comments and find them in your profile.
Thanks, I always forget about the star. I’m so used to just sending myself links that I forget that there are other ways sometimes :)
That’s very incorrect. I’m on midwest.social and I can reply.
That’s odd, I can reply now. The link from my replies is https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/5239822 though, rather than the original lemmy.ml link.
I’ve got https://programming.dev/c/learn_programming open in another tab, a link that I emailed myself to read on the computer, and that’s asking me to log in.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !learn_programming@programming.dev
Not odd at all. You’re logged in on dbzer, you’re not on programming.dev, because they’re different servers. Your server fetches posts from other servers before you can comment on them.
Lemmy is currently suffering from the network effect.
People aren’t hanging out as much because there’s not a lot of content. Less content gets posted because there’s not a lot of people hanging out. Repeat ad infinitum.
What Lemmy needs is people that are brave enough to post in empty communities.
Also, it’s suffering from what programmers call premature optimization. Reddit has hundreds of thousands of subreddits breaking down topics into incredibly niche subtopics. It’s good, because the volume of posts is so high that talk about e.g. a particular indie game would get buried in a general videogames subreddit.
So, it seems like Lemmings want to copy that structure, and create a community for every tiny niche right away. But there aren’t enough of us. It’s like trying to start a nuclear chain reaction with your fuel all spread out. We’ll never reach critical mass that way.
Instead, we need communities for general topics, so people actual see and engage with posts. So, for example, instead of hoping that c/whatisthisthing will get going, post such questions in c/asklemmy. There’re not so many posts that it’ll bury other topics yet, but if requests to identify objects really start taking off, then branch off a new community. That’s how Usenet grew back in the day.
The core concept here is to get people talking to each other. That’s more important than rigid categorization. That comes later, at this stage it’s premature optimization.
(Also, for myself, I’d rather see Lemmy develop its own culture and communities, rather than try to be just a not-Rdddit Reddit.)
This is part of why I chose beehaw as my home
I don’t think Lemmy will reach or overtake Reddit. That’s a good thing in my opinion, because massive platforms come with massive moderation problems that aren’t so easy to tackle for decentralised networks. We’ve seen that when someone posted kiddie porn and several servers went down to scrub the filth from their systems.
If anything, Lemmy already has a pretty high amount of troll communities, thankfully mostly contained within their own servers, which enables separation through defederation (speaking of defederation, I’d love to have an option to block servers on the user level).
I’ve had luck blocking communities and instances on lemmy connect. Little more labor intensive, but can get rid of all that goddamm furry porn lol
Gonna check out Connect, thank you :)
Instance blocking is coming in 0.19 apparently.
It’s inherently niche. If reddit has more controversies can see more waves coming over.
I like the vibe of the smaller forum, but would be lying if I said I use it as much as reddit.
Lemmy still scratches my forum need, but I found myself devoting more time to other things. Probably for the best honestly. 🤷♂️
I haven’t gone back to Reddit as an active user at all since the event.
Lemmy will get another boost of users as a side effect as Mastodon picks up in popularity with the continued elonning of Twitter.
It’s fairly active here, I constantly see new posts etc. But if you want more activity, post more!
In the early reddit, there was that gallowboob user/group of employee. I think someone like that would help boost content
No, we shoudn’t. Framasoft, the french libre software NGO published an interesting article about mastodon and twitter (in french). To sum up, the article tells us we shouldn’t follow twitter footstep (it was before Elon Musk became the CEO) but embrace the fediverse.
So, imho, after reading their post, it is clear that we are just copy-pasting some proprietary software and it’s a mistake because we may integrated some problematic design that were intended for analysis and ads purpose. And those proprietary software were a golden cage.
The fediverse is not lemmy, it’s not mastodon. And the timeline is limited by its UI design to lemmyverse or mastodonverse. It shouldn’t. We should open them more while having good moderating tool.
But firstly, Lemmy should improve their moderating tool. As a moderator in jlai.lu, and because our admin explained us various issues : the current state of Lemmy is worrying.
So until those matter aren’t solved, i don’t want to see any community’s grow bigger nor openness to the fediverse because we aren’t ready and can’t protect other communities in the fediverse.
Ya… I don’t know why lemmy devs are not focusing on moderator tools. What are they working on nowadays?
The first few weeks after the reddit exodus, releases were coming in fast with tons of changes, UI, performance improvements, etc…
Nowadays, I don’t notice much.
0.19 is coming out in a few weeks, they posted about it on !lemmy@lemmy.ml
No, it likely won’t be as popular. Might be pretty quiet in general, unless (until…) Reddit shits the bed again or something else happens to boost adoption.
I think maybe the design isn’t working ideally, it’s relatively complicated stuff and “federation politics” makes it infinitely worse. I think it’s going to be a hard sell for casual users.
Of course, I don’t think the place is dying off completely any time soon, either. (And the “bunch of nerds” era which we’re at, relatively speaking, was arguably the least sucky Reddit period anyway - you can’t have Reddit’s user count without a large helping of extra toxicity coming with it)